The Giant Bomb guys said yesterday there are forced combat sequences like in Deus Ex. But the thing is that if I have that question, and you have a different interpretation, then the writers did a lazy job in leaving it to the players to decide what their intent was. Personally I was fascinated by how busted the game was on previous gen baseline consoles, but I also think the core game has a medium floor that's mostly engaging. I think to some degree the posters and ads make total sense, it's taking the sex sells aphorism and turning it up so high you break the dial. "Okay, we lost Gerstmann but we can undercut his opinion by saying he only likes Call of Duty. There may have been another, but I don't remember off the top of my head anything as 'bad'. People are way too negative about that open world Cyberpunk game, I thought it was pretty good. I kept an eye out for any sort of actual stance on transgenderism throughout the game, and the closest I got was the fact that Claire, the racing lady, brings up that she's a trans woman once after you do a couple of races, and has a transgender flag on her vehicle. Still though, it bums me out that careless and tone deaf is the height in this game. What are you talking about. Fingers crossed, I'm hoping nothing completely breaks further in. Seems like a marketing opportunity for Microsoft. Whether it's doing main jobs throughout the story or just wreaking havoc through the side gigs in Night City, there are plenty of gangs to fight through and quichacks to make. I can't say that I'm that involved in the story just yet (still early on), but voice work is good and I can see myself taking to some characters. Like...yes, I understand the goal of taking exploitative advertising to its logical conclusion to set the tone, but they can't have thought this was going to land in the US. Oh, definitely. Let people buy the game and enjoy it on at least 2 xbox platforms. There wasn't much to be merry about in 2020, but these games helped keep Mary sane in a very trying year. Not only is it offensive but it's a lazy attempt to make your enemies feel bad. @efesell:There definitely was a patch because apart from the above mentioned example where it was really hard to not notice I also have not encountered tons and tons of them lying around everywhere the way reviewers talked about pre-release. Nah, I don’t allow video games to offend me, or any art for that matter. Even now, the internet is a fucked up place and these things exist if you go looking for it. It at least a little bit feels like a fuck you from Sony to CDPR? Not to mention, as someone that went through an attempt to get a refund (and got rejected over a week later with a very snide email) for a very mundane issue back in 2010, I can only imagine how pissed off Sony is at getting blown up with requests for a refund and then looking like the bad guy for rejecting them (early on at least). It might be beneficial for CDPR to rollout updates and at least give people the option to play it on next gen systems. I wasn't offended by any of it, though the "Bottoms Up" ad made me do a doubletake. And hearing the litany of complaints even before the game's release combined with that blase inclusion of content and commentary has turned me off on the game. This practice of lying your way through cert and pinky-swearing you'll fix the whole thing in a Day 1 patch needs to be reined in. Member. I thought doing an unironic "The Cake Is A Lie" joke in The Year Of Our Lord 2020 was pretty heinous. Maybe that's also sort of the point but for a player that stops mattering when my vision drifts to the side during some event to find another one of those god damned Bottom's Up animated billboards and I sigh. I think they patched out the mess of dildos that Jeff and plenty other reviews I've heard talking about pre-release, but even now the world is just saturated from top to bottom with sexual media. Honestly the constant social outrage has made me desensitized and overall watered down a lot of the impact words like racism used to hold for me as a black man. I think a lot of it is silly, and not in the 'oh, haha, CDPR, you are so funny'. ... Popular on Giant Bomb 14 Mary Kish's Top 10 Games of 2020. Giant Bomb. Having said that, Sony's whole refund policy DOES suck.Still, the de-listing is still just crazy to me. Absolutely the move to make if CDPR decided to tell consumers to just go to where they bought it to get refunds. and it's just pathetic. It's less the casting or even the performance so much as the direction that feels questionable. Jesse from The Last of Us (which stood out to me more in retrospect after hearing their approach to Manny's hispanic accent and general loverboy approach to life), most of the men in Tsushima (in their English VO) and now the guy from the corpo that helps you out in Cyberpunk. Definitely. Cyberpunk 2077's launch has been rife with issues, However, these bugs and glitches threaten to ruin even the best player experiences. Gamers can still buy physical versions of the game in retail and mail order stores. The only other times I can remember something like this happening was Arkham Knight PC and Afro Samurai 2(which was straight up cancelled and I think killed the studio, the game was there only release...or well, was there only release for as long as it existed). Released Dec 10, 2020. That shit is just offensively bad and lazy and out of some time capsule stuck with an Xbox 360 headset and Modern Warfare 2. The launch of Cyberpunk went so poorly that CD Projekt Red is being sued by their own investors! I get they are trying to make these people feel real to the era they are set, but it all just comes across pretty stereotyped. So that criticism of the Gamespot reviewer - seems to be justified. Game is still playable and works mostly fine and will be patched continuously on mid gen upgrades and next gen. Its a bit excessive. The auto-lean is nice. Really? I’m 60 hours in and have seen all of the endings play out (including the secret ending). I'm all for the subjects they're bringing up in the game. @theoracleofgame: Haha yeah I'm in the same category. Sony have been forced to give refunds in recent years for certain stuff. Long story short, I like it, but there are some (negligible I'm finding so far) issues. Y'know what, I think there's a lot of people really enjoying the drama surrounding this; there's people who bought into the hype who will defend this game to the death and on the other side of the aisle there's plenty of people who, for one reason or another, were upset about the way the studio handled itself and were bitter about the apparent success of a game which didn't hold with their principles surrounding ethical workplace practices of gender politics - I'm sure a lot of those people are revelling in CDPR's fall from grace right now, as though this is some kind of vindicating cosmic justice or karma. This one is set at night and looks way mor. Nuts! Much like Saints Row, ANY meaningful discussion to me is ahead of what Cyberpunk does. I don't mind the writing a whole lot and haven't really encountered anything awful. While I'm glad that she's just a character that gets to exist who isn't solely defined by her identity, it's odder when she's one of two trans characters I met (the other being a random NPC conversation.). For better or worse, in the context of the game itself, the controversial ads are much more toothless. @ragnar_mike: I agree that the posters and generally the “fake advertising” of this world is a huge detriment and actively works against it. and "Get raped, asshole!". Two questions that pop into my head here: 1) Under what conditions will Sony re-list the game, or will CDPR escalate and say "Well, screw you, we never wanted to be in the Sony ecosystem anyway" and pull all their games? @innacces14: Can there be a "both?" A clip of Giant Bomb and their opinion on Cyberpunk 2077 has been circulating on Reddit in the last few hours. Nah. @devise22: @innacces14: Totally. He was on my way to the main missions so I hit him. The people who discounted the early narrative around this game and some of the same reactionary YouTube channels who immediately jumped on the "ZOMG BUGS" train are less a venn diagram and more a circle, ha. From the very start of the game and the character creator assigning gender based on voice, through to the ethnicity/race based gangs, and the most obvious point of contention being the "edgy" ads - Cyberpunk 2077 is rarely ever subtle with its (mostly failed) attempts to be subversive. So, kinda feels like they just went nuclear here. I guess for me the distinction is that despite it being offensive (it is) how it lazily presents itself really impacts how offensive it can be. Haha. Rob Zacny's Vice review captures this really well. Just another game where they blast ableist, transphobic, and eye-rolling cultural stereotypical language. Admittedly I was never particularly sensitive to these issues. My first thought? Quick Jump Gaming Forum Gaming Hangouts EtcetEra Forum EtcetEra Hangouts Trending Threads Latest Threads Watched threads. seven or so hours now, but what I feel so far is that there's not going to be a lot of upgrading for weaponry. Hopefully ms doesn't follow suit. That show was extremely shallow and had very little to say or at best had about as much to say as Cyberpunk. Is it horribly offensive and racist? I know nothing about game dev but I imagine the posters are art assets that are being referenced and placed onto 3D models so technically they could just substitute some of the flat artwork with other art. A throwaway poster. What is the percentage of consumers who will get a refund? It was more storylines than specific things. It's fine to enjoy a thing with issues, but maybe consider taking a moment to hear what the objections are before just saying it's all good. It does dip into the 20s, but it's not ruining the experience. I really doubt that's what it means. send you an email once approved. But it's also lazy and boring. Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus was filled to the brim with the most offensive material I could imagine. I have yet to be offended by anything in this game. This game is offensive. @efesell: I'd say that it is sometimes intentionally edgy, especially around sexuality (not really around race) but I don't think it intends to offend or upset people, it's just more of a juvenile "hell yeah, a game where you can just pick up a hooker and we actually show you explicit sex, anything goes in Night City, no limits bros" attitude. Like there are things in it that without the context the game provides are absolutely offensive to say. Yeah, that's the only thing that comes to mind that even comes close. Honestly, I can't really blame Sony here. It's just so bare minimum that it absolutely doesn't justify their use of offensive shit in game, especially when you consider that much of the offensive content is baked into the games overall aesthetic. The "Bottoms Up" ad is offensively basic, but I suppose I scroll past enough similar jokes on Instagram that mileage will vary by age group and demographic. I've been to the dumps and to the rich downtown highrise and the ads are all the same. It almost kind of makes some of Cyberpunks stuff doubly offensive, because the decisions on how to use their edginess often come across as "well we met the line, these are shit people your meant to kill anyways." 2020 has taught me that practicing empathy is vital. And I hate to jinx it, but so far I've only had one guy sitting in midair at the beginning of my nomad playthrough (also, the intro is disappointingly short/seemingly superfluous). Hitting CDPR's board in the coinpurse is the only way to make any meaningful change. I swear they must have stealth patched this because everyone talks about all these goddamn dildos and I ain't found a one. I disagree with his take on Cyberpunk as a video game, but it would be insanity to deny it's a technical mess and CDPR has made a serious of bad decisions on how to manage the situation they've put themselves in. Oct 25, 2017 25,835 Midwest. Giant Bomb 68,470 views. I like it so far. Sorry for the OT post guys but it's kind of amazing that after many delays on both sides both Cyberpunk and STARSHIP will literally be launching on the same day! They might argue that it's a commentary on those motels (something that's discussed later in the game) or how now that inhibitions are gone dildos are like bibles, every room has them, but I think the thought was just "tee hee wouldn't this be funny" so they did it, which is really how much of the game's approach to sexuality plays out. @bigsocrates: How are ethnic gangs a trope when in real life gangs very much function on the idea of racial solidarity? I have done a ton of side missions but not all of them. Whether it worked for you or not (mostly not for me) is besides the point that at least you could see their pitch. Telling people to call the Sony support hotline? jeez, the nuclear option, thats unexpected. Find out why in their conversation from this morning: https://trib.al/6TFdZb1 Giant Bomb @humanity: As someone with a decent amount of familiarity with the source material, some of the changes I've noticed seem to be, uh, worse. Sony DO NOT like giving refunds. T-5 min if you're interested . Have you found anything offensive? Their idea that that’s the way to approach it, especially during a pandemic and in the middle of new console launches, is truly astounding. The Management Board of the Company has decided to publicly disclose this information in the form of a current report due to its potential influence on investment-related decisions.” - https://www.cdprojekt.com/pl/wp-content/uploads-pl/2020/12/rb_66-2020-czasowe-wstrzymanie-dostepnosci-gry-cyberpunk-2077-w-playstation-store.pdf. Subject: Temporary suspension of the availability of Cyberpunk 2077 on PlayStation Store Legal basis: Art. Some of the enemy gangs have some of the laziest edgy combat dialogue I've heard, and it does come across as a bit more "shock you" to make you want to fuck them up. It does remind me of Blade Runner even if that's not entirely what they were going for. @sweep: He might, but I think he was talking about the actual content of the game there. I've opted to play with it off though. It's like this game was written by fourteen year olds after googling "sex" who read a wikipedia article about Tor. When in reality even the semi cool shit in the game isn't like that groundbreaking or anything. To echo the rest of the posts, I'm less offended and more just, like, embarrassed on behalf of CDPR. Walking around the game is a bit like navigating the offices of the Martin-Flemmer building (Being John Malkovich, where the floors are high and the ceilings low) in that every bit of praise is accompanied by something to complain about, but there is inkling enough of something good there that I think it generally makes sense anybody with capable hardware would have fun with the core story missions at the very least. I'd like to see CP2077 through, but likely not until multiple patch passes, acquisition of a current gen console and a steep discount. Oh wow, since i've been PC only for years now and put the game in the "I'll check it out in a couple of years" section long ago, I didn't realize that with the next gen versions still far of, anyone with a digital only version of the PS5 can't get the game at all right now. Like the barrage of text messages and calls from people you've never met about cars, the "offensive" advertisements are all just white noise. Good on Sony for stepping in. The Cyberpunk subreddit is a wild place. Good on Sony for stepping in. Saved by Bruce Kenobi. I'm desensitized to violence and nudity, but the game treats its women characters mostly pretty badly, and one in particular gets fridged in a really nasty way. Blitzrules240. your ass gets delisted. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a reputation go down the drain quite so fast as CDPR’s has. Is anyone still out here claiming "the Cyberpunk launch isn't that bad"? If this game attempted to deliver a meaningful message about any of this, it would be easier to forgive, but instead, it mostly just comes off as 4chan humor. Sorry, that is longer than I was expecting. What bothers me is that there doesn't even seem to be a cutoff point for any of this either. They can deal with their own refund program and manage it properly unlike Sony. So I guess a lot of the things considered problematic in the game don't register with me. I think that the AO rating is dead for maybe anything but a pure porn game, but frankly I think that the extreme violence in games is worse than any porn game would be. Literally unprecedented move from Sony here. I haven't had any major issues. I get the vibe that lately Sony was seeming like the bad guys with people because of the refusal to offer refunds. but is fumbles with any meaningful discussion of said topics. This is why I'm excited and curious as mods start coming along. In simplest terms, I really like the sights and sounds, even on the Xbox One X, I actually think it looks great. At least quite a lot more people are going to be able to get refunds now, still sucks for a whole lot of others. I know 2020 is the year of time travel, but it feels like this saga has been going on for months at this point. No. I do think there are story threads in the game that are meaningful like the Judy quest line that shows the effects of cumulative mental abuse and the toll it can take on a person that is very unique to the way prostitution is performed in that world. It's all flashy mods and … Game » I'm completely desensitized to stuff and don't take things in a video game personally. Fuck this game. The game certainly has a diverse cast (though most of the major NPC characters are white or Japanese, though Dex and Judy are notable exceptions) but the ethnic gangs thing is a tired trope. There was nothing that made me angry enough to write a letter or warn people away from the game, but there's a lot of stuff that could have been handled better and there were definitely lots of moments that made me say "ew" beyond the intended effect (and its clear that some of the yucky moments are supposed to be offensive and the game is condemning the offensive stuff.). If the game is delisted, then the updates won't get pushed out since it's technically not an official PS4 game...? I think the accent work is pretty generic and worth at least bristling at. That only serves to discourage others from taking similar risks. Whenever he does emote he switches to Japanese to do so and while I think that's a sensible character choice it won't address any of the above. Personally, I've played quite a bit of the game and mostly had a good time, but I'm still able to recognize this game's failures in specific areas. I am playing this on the PC and liking it a lot. It's a decent enough way to show what things might be like if all of that can just go completely unchecked. ... CYBERPUNK 2077 E3 2019 | Reactions to Keanu Reeves COMPILATION - Duration: 12:58. Microsoft's Phil Spencer sits down with Jeff Gerstmann to talk shop! There are vivisected corpses in various places in the game. At the end of the day it's a shame because I'm one of the lucky few that has not experienced a whole lot of bugs during my Cyberpunk playthrough and I'm actually quite enjoying the experience. Really? @sweep: Was pretty crazy seeing the amount of people trying to say that he wouldn't like it because he didn't like the Witcher. No one is perfect though and I will bring expectations with the next Wolfenstein game. So in order to make things right and honor CDPR's pledge to honor refunds, they almost have to delist the game. Not since Batman Arkham Knight has actions like this been taken for such a high profile release. As well as the robot ladies in the hotel lobby, when I first heard them I was like, "well, that's a choice." And the shitstorm that came with Arkham Knight's nightmare of a PC launch was pretty big. Aw, HDR is seemingly broken and that is unfortunate. I'm not sure if that'll be the case further in, but it's what it feels like now. And next fall when the Cyberpunk: Enhanced Edition comes out, CDPR can spin it as a new release for the purpose of getting a new metacritic score. I still can't believe that the game only came out EIGHT DAYS AGO!? But that takes a gentler touch than Cyberpunk was able to accomplish while putting out so many fires it seems. Seems CDPR heard the complaints about that awful cover art. 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